I'm currently hunting with a 7rm shooting 168 Berger vlds at 3000 fps. Clearly the 28 Nosler is the flat trajectory King here, but at the expense of more recoil, more powder, and a fairly large, standard-length action to fit the .534 rim/head circumference. But then none have put it all together quite like Hornadys new 7mm PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge.) Nothing to call home about, but its solid for any North American game to 7 or 800 yards based on about any standard metric. Reactions: Zeroit. The .28 Nosler of 2015 was their solution. 8.7 twist 5R and 180 JLKs couldnt consistently make it to 100 past 3Kfps. ADG 300 Rem Ultra Mag Brass. Also note that some guys are reporting pressure issues at speeds other are reporting work with the 28. That's how gun control works.". It's often put head-to-head with other popular calibers like the 7mm Rem. 12 Gauge 1". Mag. FWIW, the LRM setup that I have on the way was ordered with 16x-class projectiles in mind. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. The 180 Berger VLD was my choice for terminal performance. Actually just today finally found a Redding type s die seton stock. This is probably too high for real world hunting, but well use it as a standard here for cartridge-to-cartridge comparison consistency.). Well, i was leaning towards the 28 Nosler, but now I'm seriously considering the 7mm RM. The most common comparison is 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag, because they're both popular in North America and are kissing cousins as far as bullet diameter goes. 7mm RemMag. ADG 7 SAUM Brass. Buy Now. The difference might surprise you. Trustpilot. While testing some upgraded M700 Remington rifles at FTW Ranch last summer, I simultaneously test drove the pre-release 7mm PRC from Hornady. I would not be overly concerned with it only being for hunting. The 7mm has a longer barrel and is heavier. Choices have changed since I made the decision to go with a 7 WSM 10-15 years ago. 8tw 195 or maybe the new 190 atips. I feel I could easily shoot 180s at the same speed, and the 190s close to it. The 28N is very similar to the 7 STW. And that means more powder. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Clearly the 7mm Rem. Mine is a 26" 1-9 twist non saami 280 ackley. They straightened the sidewalls. As the .30-06 Springfield has a .473 case head and uses the .470 +/- bolt face, any cartridges list on the above two bolt face diameter and action length database charts above, that also use the .470 +/- bolt face, and have a COAL of 3.34 or shorter, will work with .30-06 actions. I like the 6.5 PRC because I think ammo/brass will have more staying power where the 7mm SAUM is all but obsolete (don't stone me for that). Both cartridges were designed to work through short action rifles. I have a variety of options on this, as I am planning to do this on a DTA, for which I have both .535 and .585 bolts, and the DTA mags are pretty generous in regard to OAL. Said barrels will also be throated long enough for seating such bullets above the powder reservoir. Consider that already own a 270 Win with a 22" barrel. ADG 28 Nosler. ADG 7mm Rem Mag Brass. . bullet have what it takes for hunting anything short of dangerous game. Sounds like from above that ADG is making 7 MAX brass, which is what Rich told me last year would be happening. At SAAMI specs you really hinder the performance, need a little extra freebore to seat the bullets out further. Additionally you can tune your load so accuracy difference go out the window. I used to shoot 154gr hornady interbonds at 3750 and latest was not to push over 3400. gavevare til innvarming, bryllup, bursdager og alle anledninger. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. 28 nosler is a great case, barrel burner, but if you're looking for say 3000fps w/ 195 at lower pressure, use H1000 or Retumbo, adg/gunwerks brass, and the brass will last you forever, take care the barrel and it may go 1000 rounds. Hey guys, so Ive kind of decided to give one of these a try in my Desert Tech SRS. I went 7SAUM. You are using an out of date browser. These bullets are super tempting to run at 3200+. I also use and like my .284 Win on a long action. For reasons that I can't explain (though perhaps have something to do with me eating paint chips as a kid), I have an obsession with 3k FPS muzzle velocity. If you want a shorter barrel, look into the 7 SAUM, 7 RM and even the 7-08 , they'll all get it done nicely. Bullet size is another one of the other important differences between the 28 Nosler vs 300 Win Mag. without laser assistance. Amazing bc too for the weight. You see a 7mag throated with 250 freebore and adg brass can do all of this. $120.95. Varme Hansker for Sykling, Lping og Kjring, Stor kapasitet skulderveskeKjp 2, -10%, 18-i-1 snfnuggformet multiverkty i rustfritt stl, Bilkropp plastnagler festing (150 stk)Kjp 2, -10%. Once you get some freebore to seat the long, heavy bullets out, it really shines. Adding two inches of barrel to the 24 inches of our 7mm Rem. The additional reach is tempting, but Id pay the price with a 26-inch, fairly heavy barrel. In older reloading books for the 7 rum is its hauling a$$ compared current data. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr Just $1 per month , The old 7mm Rem. A bigger concern might be barrel heating and subsequent wandering. Thin barrels tend to distort slightly with heat, opening up groups. With a 160 grain bullet the Remington figures are 2960 fps and 3112 ft. lbs. The best part is that the recoil is super easy compared to a 300. 280AI vs 7 SAUM: two peas in a pod. ADG Brass. New member question. Was tempted to do a 270 WSM with 170 EOLs. The belt has never been an issue for me. In 1962 the 7mm Rem. Creedmoor Sports $ 116.95 . Vintersalg: Opptil 60 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr Should be 7.5lbs scoped or so. Great case design, great bc bullets available, more efficient powder burn than most 7mm cartridges, low recoil, and very very accurate. 22 Nosler. make ideal whitetail and mule deer takers with 140-to 160-grain bullets. Want to do 24-26 barrel. The 7mm SAUM is an ideal cartridge for long-range competition and long-range hunting. Barrel life is always a concern with maximum velocity, so-called overbore cartridges. ADG 28 Nosler. ADG 300 . You must log in or register to reply here. Hornady 7mm PRC overall length matches that of the 30-06 and 270 Win., so it fits standard length actions. If you go with a hot 7mm, get one with a fairly heavy barrel contour. This is not a rifle you want to weave through dog-hair timber. Trustpilot. Ban sober drivers from driving. Mag. JavaScript is disabled. Long action lone peak. Im sure Remington engineers started with the .300 H&H case, but it was itself a modification of the .375, so same difference. It is simply the 7mm SAUM case necked down. Considering the production by Hornady of 6.5 GAP 4S cases, the next logical step appeared to be ammunition coming off the line in Grand Island, Nebraska. Engineers made three modifications that ensured popularity: they shortened the case to fit standard-length actions. But you pay the price in recoil and that 26-inch barrel. ELD-Match zeroed for MPBR on a 6-inch target zone. and instead recommends the 30-28 nosler, 300 norma and improved, and 300 PRC stating that each has 75% less throat erosion than the 28 nosler and with essentially identical ballistics. I would also add that if you are not going to optimize the rifle to get the most out of the 28 Nosler just stick with the tried and true 7mm Rem mag. Going super light though might make the 280 ai another good choice. Reloder 33, 7mm RUM 3,150 fps from 26 bl. Because the 7mm RM is a familiar benchmark, lets establish some basic performance numbers in an 8 pound rifle with 24-inch barrel spitting a representative spire point, boat tail, 175-grain hunting bullet, B.C. . I think the 7saum is here to stay. Since this rifle will be used sparingly maybe I can afford to go with something a little harder on the barrel. I would go 7 LRM if it wasn't for the Hornady brass . It only makes sense, case with 8gr less capacity out running the bigger case, it's because of pressure, and lots of it. 180-gr. . If you go the Nosler route, look into the freebore for the barrel. $120.95. I also kicked around the idea of 7max, but can always go that route later. Just cant decide what billets and powder to run. Lots of hiking, backpacking, climbing, shooting to 450 yards, maybe 500 yards. 7mm Rem. Fill this with 88 grains of slow burning Reloder 33 powder and, according to the Nosler Reloading Guide 8, you should get 3,211 fps from a 26-inch barrel. They are all throwing the same bullets more than hard and fast enough for anything. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUM. 28 has an edge over 7RM on range and power, but as others have stated 7RM already has. All of the figures from both companies were developed in 24 inch test barrels. If you compare Nosler .280 AI brass vs. Nosler 7SAUM brass, you get twice the cases (50) with the .280 AI for only $10 more than what it costs for 25 cases of 7mm SAUM. Ryan Pierce is a gunsmith, Piercison Rifles, and he is the first person I saw that was playing with the extra freebore. Nosler told me their bonded bullet is designed to retain 70%, same as the partition. I'm not too familiar with the 7LRM, but I'm having a 28 Nosler built for hunting. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. The 7mm PRC in center is the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag and achieves the same muzzle velocities, but does so in a fatter case with no belt. Arbeidstid: 08.00-16.00mandag til fredagVi vil svare deg innen 48-72 timer. Mag., the new .28 Nosler, and the over-the-top 7mm RUMa shoot-off to find the best, By That's what I would do unless you have to have something much faster. I also see the counter that belted cases are reloaded just like non belted and it is a non issue. I have hunted with a 7mm Rem Mag and a 7mmSTW. You go long. I've mostly shot 180 Berger's and its been really accurate. Before this barrel I had a 7 SAUM and I wasn't happy with how it fed from the DTA magazines. Overall cartridge length of the 7mm RUM is 3.6 inches, right there with a .375 H&H Magnum. YMMV . Typical 140- to 175-grain, .284 slugs are wide enough to resist bending (a problem Bell had with tough, thick elephant bones) yet narrow enough to minimize drag. Mag. Fill this brass case with smokeless powder instead of water and, according to some handloading guides, 62.5 grains of Reloder 22 should shove a 175-grain bullet from a 24-inch barrel 2,870 fps. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. Barrels are like truck tires. I love my 7 SAUM and would do it again. Creedmoor Sports $ 119.95 . Id be set for all North American game plus African plains game right up to 1,800-pound eland. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. When making your choice, don't factor in component or ammo availability. I would expect the 300 PRC to mirror the performance. Im using Winchester brass, and it's showing no signs of wear after 8 or 9 reloads. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. 92 grs. Full Member. .672., MV 2,900 fps. $94.95 $79.95. Here, the hardness is nearly twice that of around the neck. Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. Great performance, easy to neck a case down and a simple bushing change gets you great dies. Just picked up a tikka for a donor build for a lightweight 6.5 PRC or 7mm SAUM. https://westtexordnance.com/7mm-300-norma-improved/, https://www.longrangehunting.com/threads/28-nosler-195-berger-re33-testing.159270/, Desert Tech SRS A2 Covert FDE w/ conversions, Desert Tech SRS A1 FDE RH 6.5x47L - Parted Out. .280 AI hands-down. The 7max performance that Rich advertises is somewhat inflated and HOT loadings. Abonner p vrt nyhetsbrev og bli den frste som fr vite om kuponger og spesielle kampanjer. Clearly Hornady wasnt trying to break any speed records with the 7 PRC. Fr pske salg: Opptil 50 % rabatt + Gratis frakt over 499 kr . JavaScript is disabled. Mag. 7mm mag has stood the test of time. This compromise should account for the slower muzzle velocities many rifles produce with factory loads and safe handloads. They explain in part the enduring popularity of the 7mm Rem. I was looking at a 7-300 win, 7-300NM, and a few others. The 28 Nosler is also loaded to a slightly higher pressure than the 300 Win Mag (65,000psi vs 64,000psi). I'm worried bout the need of a 26" barrel for the Nosler, and hoping to get away with a 24" since I'm trying to run an Ultra 7 with it. Im going to run the 7 Saum Im thinking. It does have a dark side, though. SAUM shows that 56.0 grains of IMR 4350 powder will drive their 140 grain bullets to a MV of 2943 fps, and 60.0 grains of IMR 4350 is good for a MV of 3146 fps. | And heres a top load for the 175-gr. I agree mud, but where does the 284 shehane fall compared to the above cartridges? First, the 7mm Rem Mag and 28 Nosler use larger diameter bullets than the 6.8 Western. Hper du kan nyte shoppingen din her! This rings home with me. Instead, the Hornady-developed RCM case was used to produce the 6.5 PRC. ( They are sitting on the shelf waiting , though.) Recreational and practical applications abound with these .22 caliber handguns. 224 Valkyrie. performance without stepping up to a full magnum length cartridge and rifle action was Noslers goal. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data. In 2001 Remington looked to the old .404 Jeffery case for its ultra-speedy 7mm. With a 160 grain bullet the Winchester figures are 2990 fps and 3176 ft. lbs. A 24" nosler should still outrun a 24" rem mag (all other things equal). Pros, cons of both and reasons why. The 7 SAUM offers better performance than the 300 Win Mag in a package that is almost as small as the 6.5 Creedmoor. Links to technical data and drawings for the newly SAAMI accepted Cartridge and Chamber designs not yet included in SAAMI Standards are listed below. I tested the 7 STW, 7 RUM, 7 Rem mag, 7-300 win mag and even a 7 Lapua. Many find them, like the 280ai, to be a great compromise between ballistics and recoil. Alabusa Learning. Ive got the same dilemma. Published Nov 25, 2019 7:53 PM EST. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. If your just hunting without extended range sessions I'g use this over the 7rem mag. The 28 isn't blowing the doors of the MAX. The 28 Nosler is in the 7mm Rifle Ammo family. Nosler and Hornady load both 7mm Remington Magnum and .280 Ackley ammunition; looking at their data you'll see a difference of 90 to 100 fps between the two, with the belted 7mm Magnum giving the higher velocities (with a 162-grain Hornady ELD-X, the 7mm Mag. $81.95. If you were to blow the taper out to .010" and add-in a 40-degree shoulder, you would only gain 1.9 grains of case capacity. Bullet made it in about 3" an blew a big hole in it. Mine shoots factory 160 class ammo at 1/2 MOA (5 & 10 shot groups) in the mid 2900s with SD in the mid teens. You are using an out of date browser. Diver160651 Who cares. Great availability of components and above all a barrel that will last 1500+ when used like a hunting rifle and cared for. and a high B.C. Retained mass helps maintain momentum. Reloading the 28 is also not inexpensive. But, were I young and tough and starting from scratch, I might be lured into the .28 Nosler. Trustpilot. Minuteman. Less well known in the U.S. (but more ballistically advanced) was the 7mm Weatherby Magnum from the early 1940s. But to really appreciate this, lets run a trajectory chart out to some crazy ranges. 7 saum 7 rem mag 7 ultra mag 28 nosler The 284 and 280 appeal to me for lower cost (components and barrel life), but they are the slowest. It is intended for long-range shooting due to its ability to utilize high BC bullets, and is also uniquely suited for hunting large animals such as elk. You could beat it by loading that same bullet in the 28 Nosler, but youre still facing the barrel burn out issue. But if you are only going to shoot the 160's you may be ok with SAAMI spec'd chamber. Brass is not going anywhere as a handloaders cartridge. But if you suspect a 26-inch barrel might be a bit unwieldy, waitll you haul around a 28-inch. Genesis 1:1 NRA Benefactor Life, SAF, RMEF, Memberships "Want to stop drunk drivers from killing sober drivers? bullets far, far downrange with minimal wind deflection and maximal accuracy. factory 7mm Rem. 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Nosler AccuBond Long Range. John Whiddons dies are the nicest Ive ever used. Winchester claims a muzzle velocity (MV) of 3,225 fps with a 140 grain bullet for their 7mm WSM cartridge; the claimed muzzle energy (ME) is 3,233 ft. lbs. Categories Almost through fire forming but ran some pressure ladders with fully formed brass with 180 Berger hybrids, H1000 looks like I'll be at a good max at 3000 fps and R26 3050 fps and I good life. Foot of the Big Belt Mountains near Townsend MT. Absolutely nothing special or difficult about reloading belted cases. The 180's will work with a 9 nit the bigger bullets will have a decided edge in the wind. I did 7remmag. It made sense for me. Thanks, BnG. burning 61 grains Reloder 22, 28 Nosler, 3,200 fps from 26 bl., 88-grs. ADG 6.5 SAUM Brass. Here are some specifications of interest to those reloading the 7mm SAUM cartridge: bullet diameter .284", maximum COL 2.825", maximum case length 2.035". Of course, this was an overreaction, but at the time millions were convinced the new 7mm was the do-all-end-all of deer/elk/moose and even bear hunting cartridges. And heres the same 175-gr. It's no surprise then that the 7mm Weatherby held the title "World's Fastest 7mm" until the 28 Nosler appeared. Were I seeking the absolute top-end, extreme-range performance and willing to carry a 28 inches of barrel, Id look harder at the RUM. These claims are valid if the short magnum cartridges are fired in 24 inch barrels, the same length as the barrels of most 7mm Rem. JavaScript is disabled. Im thinking Id run Berger 168 or 180 in SAUM and 140 or 156 in PRC. Both were introduced in 2001. I wouldn't do either in a 24" , I would definitely go 26" at a minimum. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. This calls for a light rifle. Barrel life will also be lower than the other two. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Magnum Load Data 120 Grain 140 Grain 150 Grain 160 Grain 168 Grain 175 Grain 185 Grain PRIVACY USE ORDER PROCESSING SERVICE & RETURNS Copyright 2023 NOSLER INC. We are now conversant in 6mm, 6.5mm, 7.62mm and especially 7mm. The extra heat required to reach hyper speed eats away at barrel throats rather quickly. So Im going through this same thing Are you wanting to run a shorter barrel? The first question you have to ask when designing a new cartridge is, "WHY?" The 7LRM (Long Range Magnum) is a non-belted case that has the same overall length as the 7mm Rem Mag with a standard magnum case head. If you dont own a 7mm of any kind and want one strictly for hunting, you might as well get the PRC version. The 280AI is a great cartridge, as is the plain old 280 Remington. load hitting 2,970 fps and a 28 Nosler hitting 3211fps with the same bullet. I already have a few 264 caliber rifles. Another vote for 280ai if building a light weight hunt rig all the horsepower needed close to 7rm but standard action with room for an extra round. Still, recoil is lower and ammo/components are cheaper and easier to find. Smaller-framed or young shooters generally consider the cartridge as having high recoil, but its recoil is manageable for experienced large-framed shooters to be able to shoot it regularly. Reloading data published in the fifth edition of the Nosler Reloading Guide for the 7mm Rem. Howdy. Copyright Ron Spomer Outdoors document.write(new Date().getFullYear()) Mag. Three quid k shots can overheat a thin barrel and turn a 1 MOA rifle into a 2 MOA. Versitile and with the right twist rate can really launch some High BC pills out there. I made the same decision not long ago and went 7mm RM, although barrel life was a consideration for me, which it probably wouldn't be on a strictly hunting rig. Remington claims a MV of 3175 fps and ME of 3133 ft. lbs. Not to concerned about the barrel life, you cant expect Ferrari performance and get Prius fuel mileage haha theres always a trade off, I think a mild load in a 28 might be the best of both worlds. 7mm SAUM vs 7mm Rem Mag | Full Comparison 24,889 views Sep 12, 2020 306 Dislike Share Save GunFather Precision 6.7K subscribers To answer a question I regularly get asked here is a full. 195s topped out @ 2950 w/ N570 using a drop tube to fit powder, that primer pocket was loose after. Recoil of a 9# Rem. Your results may vary. Nosler brass also undergoes the rigorous quality control that premium Nosler bullets have experienced for over 60 years. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Creedmoor Sports $ 120.95 . As the name suggests, this round is aimed squarely at accurate, long range performance. Either way a shorter fat case will be better With a shorter barrel. But with laser rangefinders one can easily compensate for the slightly greater drop of the 7mm Rem. There are now at least 14 7mm cartridges being manufactured in the U.S. with several wildcats waiting in the wings. Another indicates 74-grains of Hodgdon 870 will churn up 2,954 fps. He's loading the 195's to something like 3.730" COAL, well past SAAMI specs. The Nosler loads were developed in Remington cases with Remington primers, and chronographed in a 24 inch barrel. In order to obtain that performance from a .30 caliber, I would need to jump into the .300 Win. My Saum is on a med length action and was a full tilt everything I wanted build. . 7RM!! Just to add another fly in the ointment, but another 7mm to consider, is the 7mm Blaser Mag. needed another shot behind the head to kill it. Supporter. I was tired of lugging the heavy, long, and heavy recoiling 30s around, but wanted more punch than my lighter 6.5CM. Interesting. I'd opt for the 7RM. But if you want to win long range target competitions, the 7 PRC is your best bet. During processing the large, soft grains are broken down into smaller ones, which makes for a harder material. The SAUM will be built on a long action. 7mm SAUM Rechamber/Barrel Life. Lets compare three cartridges that do that; the old 7mm Rem. Definitely go 26" on the barrel. For Connaught we moved to 7mm SAUMs and in preparation of going to that FCWC I got . I have a 7 LRM in a DTA, I've been pretty happy with it. I suspect the Sherman cases are all running between 70-80k psi on the upper end. You want 98.2 grains water capacity behind a seated 175-grain bullet? ADG makes 28 nosler brass for a great option. I neither believe in this minimum nor in shooting elk at 700 yards, but this is impressive performance for a standard-length cartridge nearing its 60th birthday. As for the 7 Rem Mag vs. the 7 PRC, the trajectory data indicates there is no appreciable difference out to 400 yards and not a heck of a lot more at 500 yards, so most hunters wont realize a major advantage with the PRC version. Qty: Add to cart . $ 87.00 - $ 145.00. That was the 7x57mm re-branded for the non-metric British Rigby rifle. Does a great job on Elk or pig. Trustpilot. Worth considering. And at sensible hunting distances even a basic MPBR hunter should have find more than 90 percent of his shooting opportunities covered by the Rem Mag. Mag. Short, light barrels just dont do justice to high temperature, high velocity, high pressure, overbore magnum cartridges. You say it's long action. $120.95. 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