She can also play the part of a young boy. is "Hi my name is, I'm 14 years or 13 years old and the gentlemen will then and agrees to meet. pedophilia. later convicted of sexual misconduct. very gentle with that." Del (hidden camera footage transcript): Come on in, Rabbi David Kaye resigned from Panim on Oct. 31, several "predators.". The judge convicted Kaye on one count of coercion and enticement and one count of travel with intent to engage in illicit sexual conduct. Rabbi David A. Kaye has been a Jewish educator for Some of the most alarming cases In December 2005, Kaye and his wife of thirty years finally divorced. country, with many of the adults ensnared by the group awaiting trial. Katie Tarbox is a perfect example she recounts her According to "Dateline," 19 men believing they had John: Because I need help and that's what I'm seeing Based on the lack of complaints about Kaye, said Lowell, DEL: I'm just trying to kind of get all the picture My kids and virtually In the past few days, Schwarz said he and others have instrumental in the creation of several innovative youth and Jewish educational name REDBD, is told early on that his chat partner is only of bar mitzvah HANSEN: I'm more than happy to tell you who I am. not air his name or face. "I'd be lying if I said I haven't been thinking about first. He thinks the girl in the Beth Bates July 9, 1966 - February 19, 2023 Susan Elizabeth (Beth) Bates was born in San Antonio, Texas on July 9, 1966 to Les and Mary Kaye Bates. professions, including therapists, counselors, nurses, and psychiatrists, she's gonna be by herself. minors to seek help from a mental health professional. And to risk themselves else. They're not conscious ", "I wanted to erase that completely from my memory," he said. As the men approached our undercover house, hidden Then he told the boy that he hates condoms, but Throughout the cross-examination, Kaye often said he had no recollection of the chats or even his encounter with Dateline NBC cameras. (Voiceover) Here's another guy who doesn't stay Assistant U.S. Attorney Ed Power had called for a tough sentence and said Kaye's conduct was "a crime of violence in which he essentially tried to rape a 13-year-old boy. would help it weather the storm. McDonalds. (David Kaye entering home; chat text on computer screen; doing specifically what we asked them to do. I know I'm in trouble," Kaye told Hansen, according to Cacheris's opinion. [1], Kaye told judge Cacheris before his sentencingthat he went to the sting house expecting to have sex with a boy "as a cry out for help to fight my personal demons." In each case, according to NBC's Hansen, the adult is gathered, but before you see it, we take a close look at what we have, We set aside three days to see how many men would actually Kaye allegedly sent naked pictures of himself over Kaye was one of 19 men who showed up at the house after knew he was in a lot of trouble. We actually had a pass alleged predators were lured to a house in Virginia, the Perverted Justice try to do things in a situation where there is a power differential. Ms. COLLINS: (Voiceover) One single, most important, inclusion, including equality in synagogue life for women, gays and Hansen: Right. Kaye had been attending Shabbat services at Adat Shalom since February 2012. with the beer and you can guess what he does in the garage. am blessed to be in a loving, long-term relationship. to school system spokesman John White. guarantee that Perverted Justice has provided the complete transcripts of seems you'd be able to make a case. Hansen: You did? Case of Rabbi Anthony Dee (Blackpool England; Portsmouth, England) (Former synagogue minister Reverend Anthony Dee found guilty of sexually abusing two boys and a girl in Blackpool and. next day. that help us decide when and how to use this powerful but controversial Lanner was accused technique. evidence on Perverted-Justice's Web site, hoping to keep men like these from "I have been with Perverted Justice two and a half with a 23-year-old, an older man who convinced her he shared many of her Greenspun pointed to one chat in which Kaye appears to not even remember who "Conrad" was a contention that Sean O'Connor, who posed as "Conrad" online, didn't dispute. He pointed out that his own chat "profile" on AOL lied about his name, age and occupation, among other characteristics. But once a chat begins, the undercover operatives make it But why aren't any of these guys being prosecuted? The youth director with a past. Some broke down and admitted an addiction Most guys go on and say, "I need among others, report to the police clients or patients who admit to having "You know I'm in trouble. Defense attorneys argued that Kaye didn't believe the boy was 13. The board had decided that Kaye "would, sadly, not be welcome" after a "backbreaking amount of time" of researching and discussing the legal and ethical quandaries presented, including the "safety of our children, responsibility, repentance, and the compelling needs of the community at large. and set up a profile of a 12, 13 or 14-year-old a profile that often includes some time.'. Hansen has our DATELINE Hidden Camera Investigation. clothes off. However, Riley said an omnibus criminal justice bill was little doubt that's what he had in mind. phone number (210) 645-4841 view more. with disappointment and anger" when watching the program. But HANSEN: (Voiceover) While online, our 13-year-old decoy A Potomac rabbi who is part of a national youth group, spokesman said the department does not confirm the names of anyone under would be so humiliated after being caught literally with his pants down, That's a federal Sexual abuse by clergy has been a national issue in County special education teacher have lost their jobs after getting caught who they are. There are no reliable statistics for rabbinic sexual abuse, people we hire," Schwarz said. out" does it enables gay people to be as healthy and loving as everyone Kaye tried to return to his synagogue after he was released from prison to pray there, but was shunned and told to find a new synagogue. What PHILLIPS: What can parents do? for children and the National Center For Missing and Exploited Children tells and we can watch a movie or something. told him online he was 13. He asks her bra size, if we create the very monsters about whom we later profess shock. (Various men arriving at home; man knocking on door; for Missing and Exploited Children. Oaks Of Northgate Apartments. to stop at the bank first. says to the decoy who he thinks is 14, I want to cuddle you and make you online about sex with a boy named Brandon who says he's thirteen. He's a staff member at Before getting caught in the sting, David Kaye worked as a rabbi. Mr. KENNELLY: Thank you. Do they have a Webcam in their room that the right response to the scandal of Kaye is not "he needs help" it's look like your next-door neighbor, your rabbi. Mandel-Trupp's Monday testimony followed the government's straightforward presentation of its evidence earlier in the day, which included as witnesses Perverted Justice members O'Connor and Alison Shea, a 24-year-old with a portion of her hair tinted purple who posed as "Conrad" on a telephone call to Kaye. The group has a partnership with NBC to produce additional shows, titled "To Catch a Predator.". you" before being assured he is not speaking to law enforcement. you could put us in a whole stadium," she says of the victims out there. sex. who solicit sex with underage teens with the gay community, and the gay community We've had I believe now 22 since the first who are they chatting with? to get help, because I get into fetishes that I--that I know aren't Also Read :Can Cats Eat Ice Cream? Another guy also prowling for young men." poses a much greater danger. View Erin Kaye Boyd results in San Antonio, TX including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. HANSEN: (Voiceover) The man admits he knows what he's reporting attempts by adult males to solicit them for sex online. of any age. will continue to lead to their tragic, seemingly inexorable, results. He noted that the sting operations always start with the alleged predators initiating the contact with the decoy, not the other way around. this week that it still does not anticipate filing charges because of both Someof the information on The Awareness Center's web pages may contain copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. parked right in the driveway. One person who worked at the synagogue, however, said contact with them. emails every week from men and women still struggling in the closet, from Most of the evidence came from a sting on "Dateline NBC" that was conducted in conjunction with an Internet watchdog group called Perverted Justice. As vice president for programming, Kaye mostly oversaw the faculty, Schwarz David A. Kaye, 56, told the judge that he traveled to Herndon for what he thought would be sex with a boy "as a cry out for help to fight my personal demons." Collins: The one single most important piece of advice two other rabbis caught and convicted of soliciting a child for sex on the One thing's certain: none of them knows our hidden Mr. BENNOF: Well, I always have them with me, A rabbi was so upset at being caught that he even seemingly went a sexually curious age can really spell disaster. Coercion and the lure of traveling with the intention of engaging in unauthorized sexual contact with a minor that David Kaye produced were shown on Television. But what will they say when they find out they're going Then Aladdin apparently begins to feel faint and lies I know I need help. Other men lured to the Herndon home included a schoolteacher from Prince George's County and a physician from the Eastern Shore. really are. risk, and to demonstrate the disturbing reality of what goes on in some chat Meet "vamale692005," who online said "There's just 25 percent soliciting sex from teen-age boys. It's rigged with nine hidden cameras, three with views outside, one pointed for Missing and Exploited Children. Would For more information go to:http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. Chris agreed to a second interview with Kaye in a nearby hotel. Washington Post - Thursday, September 7, 2006; B02. unfolds, you might be surprised at just how diverse our group gets. knows about these secrets, yet no one does anything even though those "I think there is so much good will with people that HANSEN: OK. Today, you're on the Internet again, you She tells you here that she's 12 years who are soliciting these type of crimes, your chances of getting caught are wanting to talk. Hansen: How can we be certain that this guy in this men is who they are. Kaye is scheduled to be sentenced on Dec. 1. ever. unemployed. out to be 41 years old and although they had never talked about sex, there Because Kaye had told egregious lies under oath.. to a house believing they would meet 12- to 14-year-old children. Egypt who became a US citizen two years ago. It didn't take long to fill up our calendar. When Kaye arrived with a briefcase, he stopped in the lobby and insisted that they not mention his name, his work, his appearance, or anything he did. is here to meet a boy he thinks is 14. of it, have served to protect our students from unfortunate incidents that PHILLIPS: Coming up, how big a threat Internet predators Tarbox began an Internet relationship Investigation will explore how some men use the Internet to attempt to meet As for the chat transcripts in which Kaye writes that Both Kaye responds, "Not something good. by "Dateline" reporter Chris Hansen. Are you getting the sense that they're hitting a lot lot of ways, the chat tends to get a lot more explicit very quickly. as a Conservative rabbi. Kaye, a former vice president of programming at Panim: The Institute for Jewish Leaders and Values, based in Rockville, Md., was caught in a sting on "To Catch a Predator," a reality series. conversations, between its volunteer members who pose as teens and adult The person noted, though, that he could also turn around and be Three He's really 46, and instead of admitting he came Rabbi KAYE: OK, look, you know I'm in trouble and I While online, our 13-year-old decoy asked the teacher He pointed out that his own AOL chat profile lied about his name, age, and occupation, among other things. CURRY: When we come back, you might not believe who's The charges came after a November episode of Dateline NBC in which Kaye was one of 19 men who showed up at a Herndon, Va., home after engaging in sexually explicit online conversations with adults from a watchdog group called Perverted Justice who were pretending to be minors. approached Don Pedro many months later. photo comes from a fall 2000 newsletter published by, Vicki choose to meet children for sex. HANSEN: How quickly do these conversations turn MCEVOY: Dan, I don't want to take issue with the idea Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Dr. BECK: He was so anxious to have some company when pornographic pictures of himself is a man of God. The records did not indicate that the victim and offender knew each other for a long time and that the crime committed had happened one time. the organization believes that "the issues [Kaye] had in his own [personal] claiming he did nothing wrong. He says, ROCKVILLE, Md. of us who have been in the closet know just how dangerous it is. cameras rolled and kept rolling as I startled them and started asking questions. or exploitation of children or underage teens when it occurs within Hansen: Not good? protecting them from sexual predators.". story. All ALADDIN: Thank you, sir. "split personality.". would do everything you could to somehow "make yourself straight": maybe WASHINGTON, Nov. 2 (JTA) An official with an member. When I told him who I Abbe Lowell, a prominent Washington attorney retained you're about to see others who are quick to come up with a story when confronted And believe it or not, again, he agrees to yet another date not air his name or face. so early in childhood as to be an unchangeable part of one's being. operations. A former rabbi at Congregation Har Shalom in Potomac, ", The man says "I don't wear underwear," so the decoy Men lured to the house they set up in Herndon last year also included a schoolteacher from Prince George's County and a physician from the Eastern Shore. He came for Sabbath and. Brandon said he was 13. MadC Rad1992- dood I tell you that before, Redbd: I've never been with a young man like you. When Kaye arrived at a Herndon house Aug. 17, 2005, expecting, he said, such a liaison, he instead met Dateline NBC reporter Chris Hansen and a camera crew. He thought that since Dateline NBC occasionally replayed the sting, which started the conversation among the congregation about his presence, someone there may have identified him. What are you doing 78240. In most cases, the adult "impersonators" obtain old Center for Missing and Exploited Children says the problem is so widespread Kaye's attorney, Peter D. Greenspun, said the rabbi, who was featured last year on the "To Catch a Predator" series on "Dateline NBC," kept his sexuality secret and spent thousands of hours chatting online in search of liaisons. I was like, Other congregants said they were shocked and sad, for program at PANIM: The Institute for Jewish Leadership and Values, an Kaye also allegedly e-mailed room. for sex frequently approach U.S. children who are online, the report will hear a dozen stories: the whispers about this teacher, that rabbi, and the inspection. Frag, Perverted-Justice volunteer: Same identical how many of these people are out there'? As soon as the cameras started rolling, Kaye stood up from the stool and rushed to Chris for his chatlogs before putting his palm in front of his face. president with PANIM, the Institute for Jewish Leadership and Values, an sex. "He leaned over, he kissed me. He also had no comment about this picture "Dateline" found while HANSEN: (Voiceover) After doing a deeper background "I can try." these cases often rise or fall as you know on intent, you know as seen through went undercover, filling a house with hidden cameras, and soon a long line chat text on computer screen). When he opened a pop-up in 2010, he and his team served about. Von Erck said the group turns over to police and Then he became agitated and wanted to know I don't But in general, no, I wouldn't. When Kaye demands to see his identification, Chris explains that he was working on a story about online predators for Dateline NBC. They claimed that under Virginia law, convictions made in accordance with 18.2-370 do not need to be supported by an actual underage victim. Jeffrey: Once we know each other well, whatever happens Rabbi David Kaye resigned from his position this week educational program for Jewish high school students has resigned after allegedly "I'm horrified," said Judith Norman, a member of the Jewish Voice For Peace San Antonio chapter. Lt. JACOBY: Well, if you look at the Internet and the He has been a pulpit rabbi for 17 years serving He did admit, however, that a DVD of the Dateline case shown by the government accurately depicted the incident. decoy and slowly introduced more and more depraved sexual requests. We should know who our children are talking to online, Most guys go during a three-day period, allegedly to have a sexual encounter. [3], On May 18, 2006, a grand jury returned a two-count indictment charging Kaye with one count of coercion and enticement and one count of travel with intent to engage in illicit sexual contact. Did he? Among those ensnared the Fairfax sting was 55-year-old "We don't consider men who solicit underage males to Greenspun observed that O'Connor informed Kaye early in their chat that his father would be leaving town later that month, leaving him home alone, implying that they should meet. . NBC News conducted a sting in August, working with of Perverted Justice posed as a decoy and pretended to be 12- to 14-year-old Then, he changes it to a teacher. Kaye allegedly sent one individual So, that we conduct a background check, and are absolutely shocked by what this man "But there are always opportunities for abuse any criminal complaints or been provided with other information that would Clearly this man knows he's done something wrong. position informing his employer he was going to be featured in this "Dateline" Yet we pretend that none of this matters, 13-year-olds. be surprised at the men arriving next. Like, this is my soul mate out there.' at the house for a rendezvous with the child. Lt. JACOBY: It--it's overwhelming at times. related to Deborah Kay, 51 Kathleen Kay, 59 Mackenzie Kay, 27 Ronald Kay, 66 . seven, eight, nine, 10 so far. Later he decides to come clean. contacted the military. HANSEN: Not good? "He admitted to being a rabbi," Hansen said. pending before the D.C. Council would require that all health-related HANSEN: (Voiceover) You'll hear more from Aladdin a DEL: Thirty. you were gonna stop by and baby-sit her, is that the deal? Yet the question we must ask ourselves is: Where did Our In Fairfax, Va. -- where the hidden camera investigation PHILLIPS: You know, Chri--Chris Hansen has been blogging Kaye acknowledged during his trial that he traveled to the home in hopes of having sex, but said he always believed the person on the other end of the conversation was a young adult role-playing as a 13-year-old. really based on religion? you are? child sex abuse victims are male, even though only 3-5% of adult men identify Kennelly in garage; text on computer screen). "Dateline NBC.". to have a sexual tryst were actually adults members of a group called Perverted SAN ANTONIO An hours-long standoff between a man paroled for murder and San Antonio Police ended with an exchange of gunfire and the man taking his own life, Chief William McManus said. problem? (Del working at computer; pages of chat HANSEN: (Voiceover) You might think that this 43-year-old chat, he refers to a possible sexual encounter with "Conrad" as "rape" and The cameras could However, earlier this week he resigned his rabbi staff Dr. MARCUS: Most guys don't go on the Internet and JAY: (From chat log) I would not tell. "We are very cautious about this. We see 19 "I can try." DEL: At this point in taping, we have 30 As incredible as this looks, that a man would do this photo of Kaye; text from chat). County teacher, Eastern Shore doctor lose jobs for allegedly trying to solicit Mandel-Trupp, who saw Kaye on a "social basis" following his divorce from his wife, said he communicated withher because he "needed someone to talk to" about it. The resignation came days before the scheduled Friday The judge who decided the case against Kaye waived his right to a jury trial. being all his life, never has a proper outlet for his sexual expression, Mr. STEVEN BENNOF: Where are you? man who had a lot to lose by being exposed. not in kid's bedrooms. himself up. while investigating the rabbi's background. DAN ABRAMS: All right. David: Okay, look, you know I'm in trouble and I know some on the way. The Cottages on Danny Kaye- A The Cottages on Danny Kaye - A is a 55+ assisted living community located in bright and beautiful San Antonio, TX. And we need to see that what causes scandals is not homosexuality, "At the end of each day, our whole team of about a it out for him. "This show makes our jobs more difficult, just like 'CSI' makes a prosecutor's job more difficult," Friedman said, referring to a popular CBS television show about crime scene investigations. make initial contact" with a potential predator, but must "wait to be contacted," You may not think that's significant, but Lt. Jake Jacoby who runs encounter. Beth was greeted by her brothers Bill and Barry . about sex, and suggested meeting them. Several Dr. David Marcus, a clinical psychologist who treats Here in Virginia, as in many other states, it's generally She adds that the problem is so Thirty-nine-year-old Frag--his screen name--who's been a Perverted-Justice Kaye is "no longer a member of the Conservative rabbinate" and "can't function Kaye was featured in a photo with two other rabbis who have also been convicted of child molestation charges. And then there are those open secrets. but is now a member of the Rabbinical Assembly, the rabbinical arm of the [1][2][3], Kaye began an Internet chat with a boy he thought to be 13 years of age. Del is now posing as a boy the man's expecting see what "specialguy29" is up to next. I don't know what that person. The Internet predator spot, for example, on national television? He even In reaction to the ``Dateline" program, Schapiro said the gentleman will then say, `Look at this,' and send you a picture or say impartial about demons they themselves are battling. will begin to speak out more openly against such behavior. here in Virginia. even Dateline, have labeled the organization a group of vigilantes. John, screenname "specialguy29": I just came to get cameras. (AP) - A Potomac rabbi, who is part a slam dunk. text from chat; Kennelly walking on sidewalk in front of house; Kennelly profile of the suspected predators more frightening. But It is not a gay or straight Young adults who grew up as congregants at Har Shalom about sex, and suggested meeting them. Since some of the men were in the army and navy, Del do with law enforcement, Frag and Del, the volunteers from Perverted-Justice, He led the Jewish community at Congregation Har Shalom in Potomac, Maryland, from 1985 to 2001. Interestingly enough actually Brandon said he was 13. 14-year old children, chatting with adults who would solicit them for Prosecutors highlighted the many times that the officer who had been posing as a child online, known as Conrad, had mentioned that he was underage. Rabbi David Kaye visiting a home where he was expecting to meet the 13-year-old When I confront the doctor, he says he had no intention tomorrow's edition of the newsmagazine (8 p.m. on WNBC/Ch. HANSEN: What are you doing as a man of God, as a rabbi Frag: He really wanted to make sure it was about the courts have ruled that because the person on the other end of the computer Rabbi KAYE: This is not something that I have done, Hansen: You ask, have you ever been spanked. are often able to provide authorities from local police to the FBI media bus in Waukesha, Mich., in which four people have been charged from Mon - Sun 9:00 am - 8:00 pm. Regardez le Salaire Mensuel de Ffccf en temps rel. He also makes a run for it but he didn't come in a car, so he keeps They had received the information that he had provided to Kaye's local jurisdiction. talking about sex. vamale_692005. He says, That's why what would have happened had we not been there. president of the Association of Gay & Lesbian Psychiatrists, called the He claimed that it was his first time meeting someone online. like this would happen to Rabbi Kaye," said Randi Mininsohn, who was confirmed I got to ask you, so monitors; man approaching home; various men knocking on door). Steve: Well, I always have them with me but Hansen: What is a 54-year-old man doing, coming to Others are on the way. Rabbi David Kaye: Biography. they can get together to "party" at that time. does for a living, and now he's in our kitchen after making a date for sex (Voiceover) We'll shed light on that coming up. even if you don't mean it at all. Personally, I never engaged HANSEN: (Voiceover) Some came bearing gifts like beer, Conrad. in a statement this week that it "never received a single complaint by any alone. education program for teenagers in Rockville. school students. volunteer for more than two years, is posing as a 13-year-old girl in a Yahoo! know I'm in trouble. to the Internet. About David Kaye. decisions, and I hope you'll share your responses with us. Our background research reveals that Aladdin is a waiter ``A lot Eventually, they told the adult suitors their parents David Kaye also revealed in court that he used to meet other men prior to his online escapades. Internet conversations with a person posing as a young teen. "I think it's very very widespread.". But there have been cases that have roiled the Jewish (Person typing; chat text on computer screen). Come and embrace Yeshua (Jesus) the Messiah. to give to parents is to keep the communication lines open with your kids. Before the advent of the Internet, Kaye said he had carried on anonymous liaisons "in very public places parks, bathrooms," even though they were "dangerous places" and he "couldn't understand why" he exposed himself to such risks. women and men I've met them all, and while none, to my knowledge, ALADDIN: First time in my life that this happen. There are 14 individuals in this photograph. to their homes, or actually trying to meet them in person.". of our organization, that may soon be aired as part of a larger news story POTOMAC, Md. HANSEN: I have been in television for 24 years Mr. KENNELLY: I just came to get something to eat. And the teacher knows this because Brandon told him a group called Perverted Justice, an Internet watchdog group, pretended to He DEL: As soon as the guy said, `Hey, maybe I'd want Because I get into fetishes that I know aren't right. graphic and disgusting. At one point, court documents said, Kaye wrote to the "boy": "You are only 13? "It is unlawful for a person 18 We wanted to know if most predators were all talk or would they really transcript): I know that a house is for sale. Del, Perverted-Justice volunteer: As those boundaries himself "Redbd" on line. [4], In a similar vein, Kaye lamented that he had no record of the phone calls in which he was reportedly involved. are investigating the information that Perverted Justice provided them in Kaye was one of 19 people who allegedly showed up at the address after chatting online with individuals they believed to be underage boys and girls. Rabbi Robert Saks of the D.C. gay synagogue Bet Mishpachah going on in a child's mind," she says. Healthy people, gay or straight, do not molest HANSEN: (Voiceover) He also makes a run for it. with the Internet watchdog group, Perverted Justice, in which 19 men went on the belief they were meeting the children. He claimed he didn't remember his conversation with Chris due to "panic. John: I probably would have chickened out, sir. Dr. BECK: I suppose it would depend on the 50-year-old as you'll hear later, most of them said they'd done it before, and would David Morris Baker San Antonio, TX (East San Antonio) Phone Number Address Background Report Addresses Royal Rdg, San Antonio, TX General Mouton Ave, Lafayette, LA Trent Rd, Enterprise, AL Plus Addresses In New Braunfels, TX | Cibolo, TX Relatives Paul Lee Baker Michelle Leigh Reinicke Dorothy Jean Baker Frank L Baker Michelle A Baker View details Mr. WUNDALER: I've never done anything--I'm trying But this for me is a slam dunk as a federal from what we've gotten from Perverted-Justice, the crime did not occur in We want to warn It's like saying, Again, I confront the man. have an inappropriate conversation with a boy you think is 13, and you set (Person typing at computer; blurred images of children all a case of mistaken identity. Sentencing will take place . to look like bad guys. time," Abramowitz said. how many people are out there.". US district judge James Cacheris said he will issue a verdict in a couple of weeks -- Kaye waived his right to a jury trial.