I would like to add that the FBI test comparisons that are referred to are only half the test. Or does it take a .500 Smith? Considering that ballistics and expansion have increased for all calibers I like the 45 . I've never had anyone die from being shot with any handgun round. The 9mms lower cost and recoil make it an even more attractive solution for effective self-defense. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. The matter of fact is that the three most commonly carried/used semi automatic calibers (9mm, .40 s&w, .45 acp) are all equally quite weak compared to shotgun and rifle rounds. I also carry the Ruger LC9 as a backup. 26+1 rounds of 45 in a 5 pound package with little to no recoil? Accuracy is affected by the stress of being shot at, the need to establish effective cover, high respiratory rate from the exertion required to get to that cover, moving (and sometimes multiple) targets and other factors. I take my Colt Gold Cup in .45ACP any day over a typical 9mm pistol. I try to get soft and hollow point ammo for both but it is far more expensive for 7.62 x 51. Close your eyes, then bring the weapon up to bear. Less 'intent' to kill when LEO show up to take your statement and you're less likely to injure a family member 3 rooms away! Like many others, I use the .45 at home (and in the car) with the primary at home a Mossberg Persuader. Adrenaline is not the deterrent you make it out to be, some people actually perform better when "amped up" so maybe YOU would be would be useless but you have no right to comment on anyone but yourself. Owning at least 1 9mm seems practical though, as availability of ammo is likely even in a SHTF situation. If worried about an encounter with bears, I'd take nothing less than 357 Mag. PS. Great and very useful data: I would however like to see this same test done with the common barrel length of AR-9 and other like P.C.C.s and 9mm platforms chambered in 9mm. Grip circumference on the 9mm and ,45 pistols is not that different. Case closed. In fact, if one conducts these tests, one finds that there is nothing that can be observed which supports the assertion that the faster one drives non-expanding solids the deeper they penetrate.What is apparent from testing is that penetration stops increasing at impact speeds above about 1250-1300 fps. I own both, a Colt Combat Commander .45 and a Glock compact 9mm. Thanks, Eric! 9mm defensive brings it on par with 45acp and 40s&w ball - and that is what it needed to meet for it to outperform them since you also get the gains of capacity, less recoil, cheaper, and easier to train with. 3. I prefer more shock per hit. Brandon Harville, There is a link to a notorious anti-gun organization in your article. I bench load and like both cartridges, but I'll gladly carry any caliber firearm for defense as long as it is reliable, concealable and comfortable. A cookie set by YouTube to measure bandwidth that determines whether the user gets the new or old player interface. Whereas in .45, fully half of the rounds made 500 ft lb or more in a 6" barrel, and one round made better than 600 ft lb To actually answer the question of velocity by barrel length for 9mm Luger, and what the ideal barrel length is, namely for something like an AR-15 / AR-9 pistol or SBR, we'll discuss below. The more we all know, the better organized and stronger the shooting and hunting community will be. There are videos and statistics comparing 357 and 45 acp. My sub-compacts with their polymer frames are smaller and easier and lighter to carry than a steel 1911. The Wild Bill Hickok method of gun fighting: rapidly draw your gun, calmly stand your ground, carefully aim and press the trigger, observe the target fall, holster your gun, turnaround and walk away. FMJ loads offer a rigid design for smooth penetration that doesn't deform on impact. Youre welcome. As mentioned in the video, over-penetration isnt as big of a problem with the .45 ACP because of its slower, bulky bullets. Average muzzle velocity: 1132 fps Average muzzle energy: 327 fps. I have to say I like them all from 22 to 500 Smith. I agree with the writer, owning both and applying to individual situations and preferences is right on the mark. For instance, Hornady uses a 24 barrel to test and record muzzle velocities for their 223 ammo. . The .45ACP is a superior defensive round, all else being equal. But apples to apples the 45 will always be a superior round. JNB. The day after the craziness was all over and the police had finished up and gone, the body was gone and everyone was kinda trying to figure out what to do next, the homeowner took stock of the surroundings in the room where he had shot the intruder. As mentioned by another person's comment above, any more than a couple of rounds down range may escalate the possibility of your prosecution, (Unless you are against multiple attackers.). lbs.). It's also recommended that you practise with a spray before you hit bear country, so you know how the spray works and how to spray effectively. Even the FBI report states that 9mm makes it easier for their agents to qualify. some info is well hidden for obvious reasons. And if USA made the job in the Pacific, in Europe it was USSR, for WW2. My preference is for the .45 (partly due to the fact that though I've fired a 9mm, I don't own one but mainly through greater familiarity with the .45 & having a decent stock of ammunition for same) but I don't think a person would go wrong with the 9mm & for that matter (even though it wasn't included in the comparison) the .38. More misinformation about the 9mm vs 45. Europeans don't understand that the Democrats would introduce more gun control, and the Republicans fight against that; that there are both a pro-gun lobby and an anti-gun lobby. Whereas the 00 might outright kill them. No, it's just wrong to tell half-truths & mythologize recent historical events. If we had no guns, we would still be part of the UK (and I for one think the world would be worse off for it). DoubleTap.com uses Speer Gold Dots and has some hot loads. My husband doesn't like the sound of loud guns, so I might buy a silencer for it if this will let me buy a gun for myself without him complaining about its sounds when I'm training. If a higher capacity magazine (15) might be needed (such as law enforcement), go with the 9mm. While not typically considered a hunting round by any means, the 9mm is effective for varmints and even deer hunting with a suitable bullet. I fired four magazines on patrol engagements and was credited by MI at debriefs with seven confirmed. My Walther PQ 45 has a 12+1 capacity and incredible accuracy. That would be like using some of the retail 10mm ammo that is similar to regular 40s. In my under experienced mind, you don't take 4 .45 rounds to the upper body and suffer life threatening injuries.you just plain and simply die. Unlike in a home defense situation, the ability to shoot through a wall, automobile, or various other objects in a combat scenario can be the difference between life and death. is go to a range and try both. Some can say that you can carry more rounds ina 9mm than a .45. YouTube sets this cookie via embedded youtube-videos and registers anonymous statistical data. The upward recoil maybe lesser but 9mm has a twisting recoil motion. If I saw a bear close that wasn't moving, I'd get the spray out and slowly back off, and use it if he started coming my way. IMHO (other than good social time discussions about guns and fishing tackle) forget the caliber wars. The U.S. Army eventually switched over to theSig Sauer P320but theyre still sticking to the 9mm caliber design. I am. Switching to the 9mm makes them look less sexist. Just feel more secure with that big fat slow round. Different bullets, however, will perform differently when it comes to loss of speed. I was in the Corps during the .45 ACP to 9mm swap. IRead more . Does anybody have one of these that can state how their carrying experience has been? doubleclick.net - browser supports cookies. These points are from my personal observations as an Army Ranger, Police SWAT Commander, Private Military Contractor, and firearms instructor - no disrespect intended to the women in uniform. And also i want 9mm both of them. Copyright Ammotogo.com 2023 All Rights Reserved. All this "muzzle energy" nonsense is for the clueless ones pretending to understand physics. He removed the bottleneck from the predecessors casing to meet the German militarys demand for a larger diameter projectile. The rest of your post I am 100% onboard with! My favorite round is a sig 200 g. I tested this as a defense round and appreciated the impact force on soft targets. +P and +P+ rounds are available as well. The .45 has proven itself, period. 45 loses in every category except possibly suppression and shallow penetration, if you want to call that a pro. More penetration does not mean more deadly. Loads and bullet design are next factored into specific use, it is the icing on the cake to select a velocity to maximize that use. We were issued S&W .38 cal wheel guns. The extension mag wrapped allows for a 'golf grip' & more leverage to handle recoil. When i saw people who were actually shot with it and survived I opted for the 40 S&W. Nurses in some states and in some situations and doctors are the only ones that can. I dont know, however, this translates to a roughly 10% increase in energy being put into your target. You sound highly inexperienced. The consistent data is wonderful, but it made for a rather boring graph when it was all said and done. I agree Patrick. Expanding bullets passing through a bad guy should have little energy left, just don't miss. For me personally The same gap between the 9mm vs 45 still exists. I noticed that also that new powders and more advanced bullet designs seem to ONLY apply to the 9mm. The 9mm carbine is rapidly replacing the 12-gauge shotgun in many areas of law enforcement, because it holds more ammunition, makes hits more easily, and has negligible recoil. Maybe 45 has a bigger physical wound channel (Ill leave hydrostatic shock out of it, though the high speed footage of it in ballistics gel is compelling) and 9mm can go through a few extra boards so it evens out. Hi Wyatt, not trying to be a jerk here. .45 is for nostalgia crazed red necks that can't let go of the past. 250 plus opinions here and counting but for once I'd say they're not like A holeseveryone has one yet none stink. Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. Now you must shout for him to get down/leave, because your selected ammunition could possibly over penetrate and harm someone in another room, and hope the situation doesn't escalate to him reacting in instinctive action by charging or shooting at you. But if the FBI and cops have reverted to 9mm, I'm comfortable with it too. I have them all. 9mm can be a reasonable choice. I don't want to carry anything bigger. Remember the reason for the .45. I have no idea how this compares with the 9mm. WIth that size gun/barrel you have lots of options. Another important aspect of muzzle velocity is the difference between the speed at the muzzle and the speed at the target. Enjoy your retirement. I have both 9mm & 45. Rightfully, the 9mm counter argument is that there is no such thing. And no the target is not shooting back so the stress level is low. Ive been reading these articles for years and most of them are skewed in favor of the 9 by ammo selected for the test.They pick the hottest 6 9mm and the weakest 6 45s and shoot jello. 1 ? "The Judge". Just keep pulling the trigger. I had the only 45. Modern ammo has not only benefited the 9mm. If you notice, .40 S&W and .45 ACP have the same average energy, but as I showed earlier, .45 ACP penetrates more on gel tests. Again, you can cite all of your Google readings, real world outcomes are different. The 1911, in my opinion, is a fantastic user friendly design. If capacity isn't a factor 45 rules the roost. A lock ( We use cookies on our website to give you the most relevant experience by remembering your preferences and repeat visits. Can't argue with those numbers. This cookie can only be read from the domain they are set on and will not track any data while browsing through other sites. An in-depth look at 9mm ballistics. There is such a variety of pistols in public use that we will not determine what guns are compatible with which loads. Then why is it when I shoot my 45 into a tree trunk I have to use a knife to dig the bullet out but when I shoot it with a 9mm the bullet just bounces off ? The truth is somewhere in the middle; From weekend plinkers to elite rifle competitors, understanding the basics of muzzle velocity is an essential part of gun ownership and marksmanship. People call the UK weak and passive but in reality nobody NEEDS guns here. I'm not making this up. This will likely require a head shot. For one after police and FBI started using back 9mm amount of ammo that burned for arrested increased almost by 50%. Josh thank you for this. Like V8 vs turbo 4 vs supercharged vs NA. While predominantly utilized in semi-automatic handguns, AR-15s chambered for 9mm are popular, and 9mm revolvers are not an uncommon thing either. So, even if the 45 "hits harder", that only matters if your on target. Any cal will work depending on shot placement. As well as reliability? From target to self-defense, 9mm is an extremely diverse caliber. To say that the 9mm Luger has been a success would be a severe understatement. My nightstand pistol is a Glock 41, but I would only grab it if one of my AK47s stopped firing. The history they told me was that the military originally was using a 38 something or other, but some weird fanatical types just kept coming at them in one of our many obscure little wars. Thats why baseball bats must be held a certain way because of the grain. The other point is shoot someone in the hand with a 9 he drop his gun shoot them with a 45 they will drop their hand. Not a single one of them have considered the safety, storage, training costs/requirements, responsibilty, legal implications and physical logistics of owning and carrying. Okay, this isn't very convincing one way or another, so I decided to go to both the Lucky Gunner website and Ballistics.101 for data on the calibers. Yeah, dude doesn't have a usable arm or leg anymore. Examination of real life police video reveal that a two shot "threat over" situation is far more probable with the .45 over the 9mm. If you, as an individual, can put in the training required to fully leverage 40S&W or 45acp then it can be a great choice for personal defense. STL like the conversation but on a different subject did anyone see the movie the card Counter I see one of the stars of the movie was wearing a Pew Pew tactical shirt. But really, the majority of gun deaths are either suicide or ignorance about how to properly operate the firearm , not malicious intent ! It can significantly increase damage in rifle bullet wounds. Just ask the coroners - they can't tell the difference between someone shot by the two (they came definitely tell when a rifle is involved though). Not to say they didn't die on the street, but once they made it to surgery they survived. Over penetration should not be an issue. Underwood ammo shows muzzle energy of 600-725 range for the 10mm and 1074-1125+ for 41. I am a Brit who has lived in the US for fourty years now. A 230 grain .452" diameter projectile traveling at 835 fps has a Taylor KO of 12 while a 124 grain .355" diameter projectile traveling at 1150 fps has a Taylor KO of 7. This has caused a debate in the firearms community over whats better, a fast and light cartridge or a heavy and slow one. To summarize: I once was like you, but since having been here I have become educated (not brainwashed) and a happy gun owner, because: 1. The Federal 115-grain 9mm ammo has a muzzle velocity of 1,180 fps, while the larger bullet is propelled at 1,000 fps. In certain situations, such as home defense in the middle of the night, the slightly higher capacity of the 9mm handgun may make it a preferred weapon. I finally settled on the .380acp for awhile because the size of the handguns matched my older 22lr Handgun. Correct. or 44 Mag. We really have the best there can be in terms of equipment so learning to employ them is the big issue other than defense against democrats. the increased effectiveness of the .45 ACP roound is negligible with today's modern expanding bullets. Another fact if you shoot an assailant far enough away that bullet drop comes into play, you will have problems in court. In most cases, there's a marked difference in bullet mass and the velocity it's moving. Subsonic for a bullet is slow . I don't think a ATTACKER/HOME INVADER will know the difference between a 9mm or a 45cal to the HEAD, NECK or a double tap in the CHEST!! The Glock 43 offered the slowest MV with any given load, the Glock 19 always brought up the middle, and the G34 achieved the highest numbers. Interestingly, the 9x19mm rounds generally produce higher muzzle energy which, as we all know from Newton's 3rd Law, produces an equal and opposite reaction. I would and have felt safe with one. It's all about the ammo. Its not about practice - its all about the situation theyre in. 12 RD mags, and 15 RD mags that dont take away from the beauty of the gun. So follow up shots are almost more important that the 1st shot all of these variables added up, the 9mm almost will always win the advantage One advantage that was mentioned I disagree with. Let your fellow shooters know share this article using the Facebook, Twitter and other social media icons below. CCW 9mm. The fastest muzzle velocity of a commercially produced round comes from .220 Swift and it was clocked in at 4,665 fps. I really admire the professional comments that was written. Locally we are seeing a lot of police involved shootings using 9mm, and they empty the clip almost every time. The password should contain at least 8 characters with at least one number or special character. It's human nature. This helps ensure its continued low cost and widespread availability. 20-30% really isn't that bad. But my favorate is 45acp. 130 gr VS 230 gr HPs at 1000 fps. Still, if someone breaks in the house I keep a .45 S&W revolver next to the bed. American lend-lease foodstuffs accounted for over 10% of Britain's over-all food supply during the war. Takeaway? Hah "settled". I'm not sure 45 is a good choice for bear country, most folks choose a large caliber magnum revolver with bonded solids for that job. Correct, I have not shot many people. Placement regardless the expansion will do the job. Ask yourself - if you had to be shot once and you got a choice of caliber, would you choose 9mm or 45? Look at 5.56 vs 7.62 - the 5.56 makes havoc (spinning widely) when it enters the body which results in way more damage than the difference in diameter. Physics got us to the moon, Im pretty sure it can calculate which bullet is more lethal. Time to grow up and recognize the difference between feelings (nostalgia, cool factor, historical value etc) and facts. They are often shooting at moving targets who may be taking cover and at the same time the officers are trying to take cover and not get shot themselves (this isn't range shooting). Also, for you suppressor enthusiasts out there, the .45 ACP is an inherently subsonic bullet. The 9mm was developed by Georg Luger in 1901, who based it upon his earlier 7.6521mm Parabellum. And yet after reading all the evidence about the benefits of 9mm and I'm already heavily invested in 9mm (and happy with it) I'm still looking at buying a 1911 because it seems everyone feels like they have to own at least one. (Remember the linebacker.) .45 S&W Shield for concealed and home defense and Glock 17 for shtf all bases covered. If you have to reassess after every shot, then that first shot needs to count. Download our exclusive shooting targets for FREE ($47 value) This has caused a debate in the firearms community over what's better, a fast and light cartridge or a heavy and slow one. according to some of my police friends who's used a 9mm pistol to the bad guys, even they pump bullets the bad guy still able to run for safety, so they now replace their service firearm into M1911 cal.45. If I did, I would either aviod the area or take a rifle. If you are in a do or die situation and there is still one bad guy left you need to put down, and you only have one bullet left in your mag. In my opinion 185 grain .45 Auto hollow points are a better pistol round than any 9 millimeter Luger out there. Bye, troll. Copyright Ammotogo.com 2023 All Rights Reserved. The campground lot got sold. Which he won't like. A 7" barrel with a 7" suppressor would still give an overall length of 14 inches, so going up to 10" for a little extra velocity would put you at just about 17" with a suppressor, which is still going to handle better than a 16" barrel, along with the benefits of being suppressed. 9mm Luger rounds have a deeper penetration than other handgun calibers. From the days of the trusty Colt M1911 to modern .45 caliber handguns like the Glock G21 and the Sig Sauer P220, the .45 ACP has always been one of the most reliable calibers on the market. Sure enough, it is certainly more destructive from what I've seen. In my experience the 9 millimeter is effective to about 110 yards and semi effective beyond that. I also have rhe Rock Island 9mm/22 TCM & an AR 45 pistol. You must dress around your guns. I have found in my many years and many hundreds of thousands of rounds spent that longer barrels arent always more accurate or faster given a set of loads or controls. Seriously, people think that the 9mm rounds are the only that made progress in development. The cookie is set by GDPR cookie consent to record the user consent for the cookies in the category "Functional". I would love to hear everyone's thoughts. I have been shooting for around 50 years, and I like the .40 S&W for most things. I've modified the trigger pull on mine a bit. The Lehigh Defense 70gr HERO loading exited the muzzle at a staggering average of 1784fps from the G34 and only lost 234pfs going down to the minute G43, which works out to only 15% loss. Well, accuracy can be paramount. The cookie is set by crwdcntrl.net to collect statistical data such as the number of visits, average time spent on site, and what pages have been loaded, for targeted advertising. It is always situational awareness no matter what. This, unfortunately takes time to accomplish. Both rounds are more than enough to put a guy down. Bye, Karl. Both produce muzzle energy levels in the 380 ft/lb to 425 ft/lb class. The 9mm is easier to conceal but when I am on my Harley I like to carry the 45. Our Friends If the bullet is traveling slowly, it will generally drop sooner, like the tossed ball; if it is hurled with speed, like the fastball, it will maintain a straight trajectory. I had one patient shot 11 times with what looked like a .380 or 9mm, hard to tell on xray. He had a friend that was teaching me to shoot at a campgrounds we used to visit each weekend. I've seen A LOT of patients shot with numerous calibers. My own belief is that in most cases, people will over-carry for the sake of extra confidence. Soul people go to hell. I would recon my 5 or close to 6 inch barrel Walther p 22 loaded with them with rapid shots would do okay . As you can see from the data, the 9mm is heavily impacted by barrel length. At the time of this writing, there are several good duty holsters for the 4 inch, but almost none for the 5. 1. Thats where the .357 SIG comes into play. Its not the same underpowered round that the FBI abandoned in the early 1980s. LCP Max may be a contender for that first category, but I might wait for the Glock answer (a 42x? 5 Rounds of Hell. I am citing the work of others . No matter how much you love than one 9mm you saved up for. The cookie is set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin and is used to store whether or not user has consented to the use of cookies. No matter what caliber you pick, we got you covered in our Best 9mm Ammo and Best .45 ACP Ammo reviews. Saw a Gentleman post earlier that hes proficient with a .45 at 75 yards. FBI dropped 0.40 not because 9mm comes even close to it just affirmative action that's all it is. Vimeo installs this cookie to collect tracking information by setting a unique ID to embed videos to the website. I have both, I have practiced more with the 45 ACP. I find it funny that people pretend that modern ammo has only improved the 9mm. Best argument I ever heard was, even if your hollowpoint fails to expand, a .45 will always punch a .45 hole. But a 9mm is going to be nearly as effective as a .45 ACP in almost any circumstance if the shot is a hit to the chest or to a limb. You follow the directions on the can. 50%? Two were head shots. We see this repeated in other products. 1 thing that cannot be argued is that the 22 cal is very effective. The big difference in the 9mm and .45 which is often overlooked is if you have less than a 4 barrel on your 9mm even the the best (law enforcement grade) ammo under preformed; which negates the smaller 9mms, I like and own both and both have a mission. Another difference relates to global use. The market is glorious in its options (if not in availability)no matter your intended purpose, training level, physical stature, etc there is choice that will fit you. Varmint applies to large game too.. Ha, Ha, Ha. Penetration and energy, and the physical properties that result in them (velocity, weight, diameter, etc), are the most important features. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Other. States where the max is ten bullets per magazine then 45 cal. that is much easier to deal with. practice once a month, and can do 6" group at 8-10 meters with pistol as far as pretty, get the desert camo and I had money left over for ammo. I say different tools for different tasks. Do your research. They are way more similar than they are different, and its up to everyone to make the choice whats right for them. The .45 is a good caliber, and I have one or two of them. Unfortunately I sense America is way beyond that point. I do not have much experience with guns in general and do not own a hand gun. We switched to Sigs P226 which was wonderful, but accuracy dropped. I may earn a small part of the sale from links to any products or services on this site. So .45 is the guarantee to punch big holes, with 9 you have to have the right conditions. Type your email address and well send In other words, when computing energy, you half the mass (as it counts less) and square or exponentially increase the velocity (because it accounts for more). My test pistols came in the uniform shape of a Glock 43 (3.39), Glock 19 (4), and Glock 34 (5.3). In a self-defense scenario, you're using your firearm because if you don't, you or a loved one will be harmed. I grew up listening to stories & seeing the animals taken with the caliber. Instagram This means you have less of a chance of hitting an innocent bystander through a wall in a self-defense scenario. So I have 9s by SIG, Beretta, H&K, and Walther. A lot of this pissing contest about pistol calibers is very egocentriccentric. I think rather than going to the 9mm to mask the underlying problem, they should put $$$ into teaching cops how to shoot.. People bandy about theories of using bird shot to 00, because here on a forum it's a safe environment. Did you know Eve was not the first woman? Here is what an okd timer officer wrote about the subject. Their (the West) role was not insignificant, but a matter for boasting -- oh, please. And 357 magnum also. So that's another reason why you should get yourself a subnose. If you can place three (3) rounds in the black, the debate of 9mm vs 45 acp does not really mater. "Subsonic is slow for a bullet" lol. The Carbine has a TriDelta muzzle brake designed to stop any rise & to thrust away 2/3rds of the recoil. Then buy noise canceling ear muffs for about $20 because if you ever pop one off indoors it will hurt your ears. I hand load so my loads are tailored for each gun. I'm sticking with ole tried and true 1911. So I'm an operating room nurse in a level 1 trauma center. Hi John, I enjoyed your comments. I like the expansion of the Ranger series so I will stay with 45. I hear you. 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